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Some truths about TribalWars and Admins, and other fun stories about TribalWars and Human Rights
Articol postat de Zoom | 22. 09. 2008
First of all, I would like to give my thanks to Ryan, who approached me today with great news concerning TribalWars. Without him, this article wouldn’t have existed.
Anyway, I will translate now what I wrote in romanian a few months ago, and I will also add a little more for my old friends who know the story better. Here I go:
I’ve seen an anagrammatically ad in my Google AdSense and that brought back the “good times”, when I played TribalWars. (It’s translated Triburile in my language, and they also have a server here.) As usual, the lack of professionalism was obvious. Due to personal history and to the fact that I don’t stand when advertising is made by morons, I’ve blocked it. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a great concept that this game has. But the admin teams, as far as I know, both from Romania and from Germany, are lacking some integrity and some neurons.
So, let’s start telling the story from when I was a famous conqueror.
(Citeste tot articolul = “Click to read all” in romanian)
I’ve started playing TribalWars, a InnoGames production, around april 2007. If you don’t know what this game is all about, I will explain it in a second. Inside, there are several worlds. Each world has continents and a maximum number of players it can sustain. When one is filled up, another one is created. Each player is given a village and the purpose he has is to conquer as many of them as he can. Players are organized intro tribes. Tribes fight eachother.
After about 6 months of playing it at a rather professional level (phone alarms in the middle of the night, manual making for other players, involving myself past the limit of goodwill), I came to be pretty good at it. I had almost 1 million points and enough killed troops, so altough I was banned so long ago, I wonder if someone has passed me since then. I was high in every aspect, I even founded my own elite tribe, I had my own empire and I was making proud my family, my girlfriend and the ancestor spirits.
Marsvolta, a good friend from Canada, who was the chief of my original tribe (MP) before he left the game, left me some Premium points. Arriving here, I would like to send my thanks and my greetings to him as well, and to all other MP players that fought with us and was part of what came to be considered as a family of friends. (Misspa, you were the most hot blooded player I ever knew. But I won’t mention all of you guys now. It’s not the point of what I’ll write. But you know who you are).
Anyway, what does Premium do? The game offers 2 ways of playing. Free and a payed account (Premium). You give X$ a month and you have a number of points with which to buy stuff. And I was fighting bravely surrounded by enemies, when my cruel fate stepped in.
Before we go that path, let’s explain a little about admin teams:
- They are named from the former players. In theory, those players are supposed to end up playing since they are confirmed as admins. In real life, TribalWars is more filled with corruption than a striptease bar is of romanian politicians;
My new founded tribe (Angels), who had the very first place in the world, and my initial tribe (MP), who was 3d, was fighting with the ones on the 2nd place, PTT, which had the most offensive players in all world, I have to give them that. Suddenly, all kind of weird stuff starts out of nowhere (no server when we are attacked so we can’t send support, data base errors when we hit them hard and take many villages from them so that the server will rollback, even changing rules during the game so that things that were legal before are now punishable with a ban);
Tired of all this crap, I compose a message and post it on the TribalWars world 7 forum and on TribalWars’s blog. I was asking the admins to cut with the wrong bans and with the harassment. After a day, I get a ban too. I open a support ticket, I say to the admin to verify the data base and see with his own eyes that I did not do the things I was accused of. He answers rather hilarious and locks my support ticket as well, leaving me “unresolved”. My account suspended, I open another support ticket to reach another admin and again, I post my cries for help on the forum. I get a ban from the forum as well.
I find out another admin’s instant messaging ID, I talk with him and I tell him what happened. He seems sincerely amazed. He tells me that my ban will be removed ant that my problem will be discussed at their next meeting. Mean time, I should be at ease, because I have his support.
In the meantime, I wrote this on their forums, because I knew that their firm is localized in Germany and they are rather disturbed my racist remarks and human rights infringements, suspending the accounts that have denigrating remarks:
What is TribalWars policy on human rights? You know, like freedom of speach, beeing innocent until prooven guilty… Stuff like… Let me quote something:
“* Political rights that protect the liberty to participate in politics by expressing themselves and protesting.
* Due process rights that protect against abuses of the legal system such as arrest and imprisonment without trial, secret trials and excessive punishments.
* Equality rights that guarantee equal citizenship, equality before the law and nondiscrimination.”
How I was treated then:
Morthy (Forum Administrator):
“Actually, no, you’re completely wrong. Your human
rights do not apply in any way when you are using our
services and our servers. TW is a dictatorship”
Lord Haste (Forum Administrator):
”Also, if you ever try playing jokes us by letting
other players quit we will perm ban you from these
game/forum/chat.
I hope I made myself clear…”;
Again, I receive a ban, after I started sending e-mails to my ingame friends, trying to start a movement that can deal with these abuses. In the meantime, the first admin asks me not to give his name if I will write anything on the forum again, because he was threatened with his removal from the admin team if he ever takes the part of a player over a fellow TribalWars admin. As I get it, the admin I had the trouble with (Gareeth), was also a good friend in real life with the chief admin (Hoodoo).
I start searching for other individuals with similar problems and eventualy I find out that a group of german players proposed to the admin team to meet and drink a “juice” and discuss the overall players problems within TribalWars, especialy the lack of communication and the increasing admin abuse, at the same time trying to make a mini-syndicate for the almost (at that time) 600.000 TribalWar players. They were ignored and then banned.
During all these, I also spoke with other admins, and as the saying “loose lips sink ships” goes, I also found that my e-mails were intercepted. Again, I quote what really matters:
Me: Hi, sorry to bother you, but i’ve just been banned from all the worlds, and from the forum again .. .what’s going on?
Admin: “Abuse of the mail system”
Me: And how did you guys knew I was sending mails?
Admin: We can log in to your accounts and see it.
Me: You do realize that’s illegal too.
Admin: No, its not. I suggest you go and read up on the law works in Germany
there are no laws in the european union that stop us from being able to view data on OUR servers.
Me: You invided my privacy.
Admin: Your account is a series of binary on our servers. OUR servers, not yours. We can view that all we want and you can dofuckall about it;
At that point I went a little bit over the top, altough I’m a rather patient man. I started to look up the laws at work, I even talked with some online law experts from my country, with journalists, with friends, with imaginary friends, all in all, with anyone that I thought could help me. I found out some interesting stuff:
- Offline laws and rules apply to the online as well;
- Intercepting e-mails got to the European Court of Human Rights;
- Some people think that I’m naïve, others encourage me to sue them;
- InnoGames, as owners of TribalWars, can be accused of two things: 1. Breaching a contract (taking the money for the payed accounts and then wrongfully banning the players, not offering the promised services); 2. Intercepting e-mails.
With good intentions in my mind, believing that is only 1 admin’s behaviour, I contacted the local manager of TribalWars (Triburile), Carmen Schwarz, thinking that she can get me in touch with InnoGames. That didn’t go as planned, because she answered me that she can’t help me with that, because “she doesn’t know how”. Eventually I found the phone number and e-mail of one of the founders of InnoGames, mister Michael Zillmer. He did not answer when I’ve tried to contact him directly. I don’t know why.
After all these, I started other things and dropped this matter, but after seeing that stupid commercial on my site, I went nuts again. So I started my little action again. If you know someone that plays TribalWars, please give them this link. They will find usefull things here, as well as a place where they can discuss this freely, without beeing afraid of censorship. I despise it. Anything, any subject, can be talked here, even if you can’t do it on the main forum. And if you have a lawyer that is passionate about internet and gaming, that wants to do some pro bono work for us, I for one will give him all gains, if he can get any from InnoGames. All I want is for justice to be done.
And players, wake up! Don’t let others stomp on you, with the false impression that on the Internet you have no rights. I know it’s hard to give up on a game, especially one addicting as this one, but don’t think that there is only a small chance that this will happen to you too. Anyone that raises questions, his eyes from the ground or his voice, is quickly put down as a “community usurper”. Sooner or later you’ll end up regreting the wasted time or the fact that someone abused your trust.
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I wrote all of this in late may 2008, and got more than 200 responses from romanian players until now. Seeing as they were rather passionate about the game, I wanted to help them and I’ve uploaded 2 guides I’ve made during that time. A TribalWars General Guide and a TribalWars How To Noble Someone Guide. If you’re a begginer or even medium player, and want to become elite, they can be usefull. They have bb codes and are perfect for posting on the forums. Maybe you’ve already come across them if you’ve played this game long enough. I hope the game hasn’t changed that much and they are still good. Why do I pretend I’m an expert? Well, maybe because I am. I have enough experience, but that was not all. I loved the game. I will also add some pictures for the nonbelievers, as proof. Some of my campaign plans with the villages of the 31 PTT players I fought personally [One of the best memory I have regarding the game: 5 million kills (lost troops for them) and not a single village lost for me in just one night - my friends, I owe you big time], my TribalWars directory on my PC, some of my hand-made plans…
There are also a buch of usefull programs, for stats and map making, but I won’t go into that now either.
Beware, if you decide to play this game, and end up eating it on bread, be passionate about it to the extent that you wake up in the middle of the night to give some attacks or send support troops, and after all of that effort, you get wrongfully banned, or something similar, do remember that I warned you here.
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I was saying at the very beginning that all this text was written because of Ryan. What he told me made my heart glad. I will copy-paste some of what he told me:
Ryan: and Gareeth is gone for good.
Me: How so?
Ryan: she worked with CCLL directly. She played with him actively on another world and directly banned and punished players to give PTT a major advantage. The fact that FxF provided proof that the punishments were wrong is enough proof to show that Gareeth was not doing her job.
* Gareeth was the admin that banned me and many other back then, and CCLL was one of those from PTT that I fought. Good player but without honor.
* Ryan, please tell the whole story here. 
You see, for this to happen right now, after all this time, simply fills me with joy. I feel like justice has finally been done. On the other hand, I don’t know if I should also be sad, because I lost so many friends and the game because of the fact that no one cared about the proofs when I presented them. And I had quite a few. This here is only a small sample of the facts I posted on the forums and that were discussed there.
With this, Ryan also told me that some of my good friends from back then may plan to get back into the game and urged me to come as well to crush PTT once and for all. Now that the dirty admins were removed, things might get better for the honest people. However, I don’t feel that is the case, and after carefull consideration, I choose not to play. I would feel bloody awfull if all this happens again. And until InnoGames gets serious, I will only cheer for you guys. I’m not entirely convinced that coruption was obliterated, as long as the rule of silencing people is still applied, as long as a sydicate of players is not formed. For god sake, you are over half a million people, thousands of you pay to play, so I honestly think you should at least have some form of representation.
The best advice that I can give in the end:
- To all players: TribalWars does not worth the wasted time. Maybe in the future, with a lot of effort from its creators, but not now. If you play, don’t cheat. I had at one time like 20+ accounts under sitting and I did not misused even one. I even managed to have accounts from PTT and I only used them to show Gareeth’s involvement. That was a fun deed as well…
- To InnoGames: Hire some professional admins. I know you can afford it. Respect your players and don’t let these things happen again.
And finally, to Misspa, Eric, Mars, Chaos, and all others that I consider my friends: I really miss those times. If you decide to play again, I wish you “sharp swords and no dirty admins”. Have a good game and I hope we’ll talk again. You’ll always have me here if anything fishy happens. Yours truly, KingClown.
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September 22nd, 2008 at 9:55 am
I too played W7 in TW. We had a similar incident with bans. One of our players was banned 2 hours before over 300 attacks hit him, thus preventing him from properly defending his villages. Village after village was lost as new attacks from close range mounted during his ban.
The next day (12 hours later) our player wrote a ticket and asked why he was banned. He was told that he should not have been banned and was immediately un banned. Sadly he lost 30 villages during this time frame.
So he wrote another ticket asking for the 30 villages back. A week goes by and we hear nothing from the admis, so a second ticket was sent. Long story short, for six weeks he talked with admins who kept delaying giving his villages back. Week 7 hits and he is told the ticket has been closed and he will get NO villages back. Even though they told him he wasnt supposed to be banned, he got NO villages back.
This turned the tables in our war with this tribe for the worse, and many of our top players quit because of it. Now the best part of this story. This tribe had 2 admins playing that very same world. Coincidence? I think not. They say they dont moderate the worlds they play. Lies, they do.
Now it gets better. I decided to become friends with this admin and get to know them better on msn. After becoming fond of this person and trying to pry some info from them, we actually became friends. I didnt hear anything from them that was out of the ordinary….until one day. The admin actually offered me their “2nd account” to play because I was being nobled out by the tribe that this admin was in, the same tribe that attacked when the ban was inplimented. So an admin actually offered me a second account which is a bannable offense.
So I quit W7 with the rest of my friends and joined W20. The same admin played that world as well. Story gets better. My friend (same one that was banned in W7) all of a sudden gets banned 3 days into W20!!! My friends son was playing on the same connection but on seperate accounts. So this admin looked up my friends IP address and saw that he had 2 accounts on the same network. Hence the reason he was banned in W20. But it was a completely legal account because he submitted a shared account request.
So he sent in a ticket and again was told he shouldnt have been banned and was immediately un banned. So the same admin banned him twice with no reason other than she didnt like him. She also looked up his IP address to see if he was playing 2 accounts.
TW is a great game but the admins are corrupt. Many players refuse to believe this, but its true.
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:34 am
i played on that very world, (7) i was part of fxf, we had some great times but i quit soon as i had conformation that people where cheating, it was a pity that game was so much fun and i have met some truly amazing people on it.
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:55 pm
I just made a new account on the forum and I found some old stuff that may give you an idea on the background of all this:
http://forum.tribalwars.net/showthread.php?t=37140
http://forum.tribalwars.net/showthread.php?t=43386
http://forum.tribalwars.net/showthread.php?t=49659
There are more but you can find them using the search function. However, the ones that were really interesting were deleted completely.
And I found my old record from TWStats too:
http://www.twstats.com/en7/index.php?page=player&mode=conquers&id=385480
Hope this can shed some light on the context.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Hi man
How are you doing? We need to have a talk 
Cya
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Well, I’ve made 2 threads on the forum but it seems they got deleted as well
So it’s up to you guys to spread this text.
They can’t delete it from here.
PS: The given reason was spam/advertisement. lol. Like I would advertise a site in another language on an english forum. Go figure… I didn’t even put the name of my blog in the link, I only said I wrote something that concerns TribalWars and world 7 history, and that curious people can find it “here”, where they can’t hide it. Anyway, it’s not like I didn’t expect this to happen…
PS2: I noticed that some of my former villages are still Barbarian villages, what are you doing? Noble them already.
@ Misspa: send me an e-mail if you don’t see me on MSN and it’s urgent. (Long time no see)
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:45 pm
I hate long texts
Anyway, noone believed us thart the bans were illegal but now that gareeth and ccll got banned, we have proof..
tnx for the link ryan..
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:51 pm
I don’t think it’s about not believing, because I had the proofs back then as well. It’s just a simple case of corruption that swept the admin teams down to their most highest levels.
I had proof, I presented it, no one cared. Why it was different now, I can’t really say.
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:28 pm
damn great work u did there my friend!!
hope we can get this out to ass meny ppl ass possibal, so they can see how admins works!
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Hey chilli whats up :O
You coming back any time soon to W7? :O
Anyways lol
I think I have a long post to write
Don’t really feel like writing it now though ;P
September 26th, 2008 at 7:03 am
I used to play on that world “7″ in a great tribe called fxf with ryan.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Selling a Tribal Wars account with nearly 500 villages on World 9.
Email an offer at: twaccount4sale@yahoo.com
October 29th, 2008 at 5:23 am
heya guys, im an ex MP*SIM baron, i remember all these bans and everything.
im now on the team, i moderate worlds 6,8,10 and 26.
feel free to contact me at Olympians@tribalwars.net
or add me on the_kingpin41@hotmail.com
trust me the system isnt corrupt (well i obviously cant state an oppinion on the way the team was back then, because i wasnt in it, just like you guys really wernt so its kinda biased).
but i know that admins can’t play the worlds they mod, trust me, all mods get worlds based around ones they or family play.
October 29th, 2008 at 6:07 am
Hi Olympians.
I have just one question. As far as I know, Gareeth has been removed from the team because she was banning people using the “cooperation” of her former tribemate from another world, CCLL. Also, as far as I know, it is almost impossible to ensure that admins don’t end up administrating a world where at least some of their friends play. How can you be sure they don’t help them? At least with information.
I see only 2 solutions:
- Make a world where only admins can play.
- Make sure that admins don’t play the game. You can’t be both the judge and the friend of one of the parts.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:03 am
Zoom, I was just unfairly banned as well, because my former alliance on W5 couldn’t beat me, and I would LOVE to have a chat with you. I to am trying to contact Michael Zillmer, but the most of a direct email I could find from innogames was careers@innogames.de,and I have proof the mod Davi/Davina is lying through her teeth about my ban. the admins REFUSE to see this and my account has been permabanned on W5 as a result. My friends are thinking of a mass delete because we are sick of the mod bias. There are 2 mods that have no business being mods, and one is STILL ACTIVE in W5. After he lost his original account by being BANNED a multi! Please contact me, I have about 8 – 9 days before my account is deleted.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:14 am
Hi, I’m here.
If you need something just ask.
But, as you can see from my personal experience… I don’t think you’ll have any results with this.
The only 2 ways I can think of contacting the owners:
1. A mass lawsuit.
2. Someone from Germany must go and talk to them face to face and explain what’s going on.
Also, if you have any proofs, send them to me and I’ll post them here.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
All I can say is that this was quite an amusing read. Bravo!
February 3rd, 2009 at 11:58 pm
LOL
LOL
LOL
sorry but this is aload of B.S tribalwars is a great game…. ive been playing it for just over a year and it helps occupy spare time and sometimes over use’s the spare time
anyway…. no human rights???? wtf r u on about ITS A GAME THEYVE PAID TO MAKE IT HAPPEN ITS THERES NOW BOW TO THE ALMIGHTY ADMIN TEAM!!
btw espeacally to will…
February 4th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
When you own a server on the internet you have the right to deny anyone access from YOUR server for any reason you wish. You also have the right to access all information passed on YOUR server.
There were no laws violated in this matter.
As for Gareeth, I didn’t know her for a very long time so I am in no position to comment.
February 4th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
First, you are admins and moderators, not owners. And what about Google or Yahoo? Do they have the right to read my e-mails and use the data contained within (without a request from the police or an anti-crime organization)? I think not. It’s a thing called privacy, you know… They did not “access information”, they’ve read my e-mails.
This idea… “it’s our server and we do as we like” would be somewhat ok and not harmful if it were not for a service that you offer, and you receive money for it. How would you like to buy a car and then have it confiscated by the factory, ’cause “it’s their car”. You can’t do as you please just because it’s the internet, you know. Laws apply here as well.
The facts remain. We had payed accounts. We were banned (by a corrupt admin) and we were denied the right to defend although we had proofs. Our payed accounts gave us the right to use the service. Those were not “donations”. They were money payed for something. We did not receive that something, nor the money back. And it’s not about the amount, which was little, it’s about the principle.
You can not compare the scale of a site like TribalWars, which practically earns money from its users, with the one of a blog. Here, if I choose to, I can moderate your commentary and make you say anything, I can delete all your text, I CAN do anything I want, because you did not pay for a service. You’re just a visitor. Once you pay, I can’t do those things anymore. You become a client, and you have certain rights.
February 4th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
“First, you are admins and moderators, not owners.”
We have been given the rights and permissions by the owners.
“And what about Google or Yahoo? Do they have the right to read my e-mails and use the data contained within (without a request from the police or an anti-crime organization)?”
Allow me to use the Windows Live service as an example. They, like us, have the right to access all information on the server. However they, like us, do not go around reading everyone’s mail daily.
“I think not. It’s a thing called privacy, you know… They did not “access information”, they’ve read my e-mails.”
I think you will find that “accessing information” and “reading ingame mails” are the same thing
“This idea… “it’s our server and we do as we like” would be somewhat ok and not harmful if it were not for a service that you offer, and you receive money for it. How would you like to buy a car and then have it confiscated by the factory, ’cause “it’s their car”. You can’t do as you please just because it’s the internet, you know. Laws apply here as well.”
It states quite plainly when you redeem your premium points “f the account is banned because of a breach of rules, there will be no refund.”
“The facts remain. We had payed accounts. We were banned (by a corrupt admin) and we were denied the right to defend although we had proofs. Our payed accounts gave us the right to use the service. Those were not “donations”. They were money payed for something. We did not receive that something, nor the money back. And it’s not about the amount, which was little, it’s about the principle.”
Your payed accounts granted you advantages and ease of use within the game. All who have no violated the rules have the right to use our service.
“You can not compare the scale of a site like TribalWars, which practically earns money from its users, with the one of a blog. Here, if I choose to, I can moderate your commentary and make you say anything, I can delete all your text, I CAN do anything I want, because you did not pay for a service. You’re just a visitor. Once you pay, I can’t do those things anymore. You become a client, and you have certain rights.”
If you owned this server you would be permitted to deny access to any person and do anything because it is your server.
Having read your thoughts in the blog above I would state that while the quotes are indeed accurate the rest of it contains errors and flaws. None of which I will name at this time.
As for your issue with one corrupt admin as I stated above I knew Gareeth for a very limited time and so am in no position to comment on that matter.
If you have a legal issue with Innogames lease contact an international lawyer and give them the contact information for Innogames, which can be found on their website.
February 4th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
“I think you will find that “accessing information” and “reading ingame mails” are the same thing ”
I think the difference is quite clear although you don’t see it. The data should be protected, and not available in plain sight. It should only be made available for “public reading” only if requested by the police.
Normally, you should see the data in the form of “sdjhfng32sjdh sd2jf1hgs dd23fhjsh k22mcnvba 9shj”. When the police suspects something is wrong, they’ll ask you to decript the data, or they’ll do it themselves to show “I’ve planted a bomb in an admin apartment”. It’s not that I imagine that all you guys do is reading people’s messages and have a good laugh sometimes, but sometimes this happens, and it shouldn’t. Ask a lawyer. I did.
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“If the account is banned because of a breach of rules, there will be no refund.” and “Your payed accounts granted you advantages and ease of use within the game. All who have no violated the rules have the right to use our service.”
We did not breach any rules, that’s the point. I even asked other admins to check the database and see for themselves, but the answer was “We trust Gareeth”. Later, I found out that she didn’t even knew how to check in depth and lied when she said she did.
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“If you owned this server you would be permitted to deny access to any person and do anything because it is your server.”
There are limits. Let me make another comparison. You pay for hosting somewhere. Let’s say 10$ per month. And in exchange, your site is hosted. According to you, the owners of the server can remove the site anytime they see fit, and not give you a refund? just because it’s theirs?
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As for the last part, I’m not sure what you want to say. If you confirm that the quotes are accurate, then you confirm that Gareeth helped a player? I’m sure the “errors” are just differences of view. No other error can fit the profile, because the only thing that I did was to state the facts. If you were a wrongfully banned player and not an admin, I’m sure you would see things my way.
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My motivation is to help other players, not to destroy a nice game. TribalWars has no fault that humans without moral and honor find their way into the team. I would very much like to see that in the future you talk to the players and listen to what they have to say, accept criticism and open up to dialog, not just shut them up whenever they disagree with something.
February 15th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
When you sign up with most email companies, you also agree to a privacy policy.
TribalWars has no such policy, and you are responsible for everything you say in game (Which is why people can report messages)
February 17th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
well said…
well tobe honest this is a B.S discussing showing nothing but the stupidaty of zoom
February 17th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
@ Some guy:
“When you sign up with most email companies, you also agree to a privacy policy. TribalWars has no such policy”
Exactly! It has no policy! You sign nothing of this sort.
@ Tom:
“Stupidaty” indeed…
February 18th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
I was banned, my tribe disbanded and all the aristocracy of the tribe was banned in Spring 08 by Gareeth. I stuck it out and was reinstated eventually without punishment by hoodoo after escalating it to Innogames. The script we were using was also OK’d as being completely legal by Morthy (http://legion.problemsolver.co.uk/SlowTarget/send-a-fake.htm).
Interestingly a post from gareeth herself on alt.support.autism
http://groups.google.com.mx/group/alt.support.autism/browse_thread/thread/aef87c2a6924e34c/aa3f5dc371ad57a2?lnk=raot
talking about her absolute power over the game…
For those who are not aware, Autism is a brain development disorder characterized by impaired social interaction and communication, and by restricted and repetitive behavior.
Great choice for a mod then…
February 18th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
A copy of the original ticket…
http://legion.problemsolver.co.uk/SlowTarget/ticket.php.htm
March 5th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
I have the same thing happening to me and my tribe on a newer world.
One particular tribe which has a number of mods is doing the same thing.
Player banned while sitting,the sit account was badly damaged.
War general was banned just before a moor offensive.
Server going down during our attacks.
Now they have changed the rules and they are banning players who send attacks from a sit account using the line that the sitter is damaging the account.
This game is so corrupt is it untrue and I am so bitterly disappointed.
March 20th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Yup, W18′s top tribe -MM- almost certainly has one or more mods playing in it. The stuff happening there is ridiculous. They do nothing but attack inactive players from other tribes, eating their way into other players territory without ever having to face a fair fight.
How do they know who the inactive players are? I used to think they had spies (they probably did), but more recently they’ve been attacking inactive players even before that player has had their status posted in our tribe forums. There are only two ways they could know our players’ status before it was posted. First, they could have a spy in the aristocracy. They can’t possibly have duke/baron spies in all their enemies tribes though. Second, a mod is checking in on our member boards by logging into one or more of our accounts.
My own account has had some strange behaviour; queues getting cancelled, troops returning home when I didn’t recall them, that sort of thing. I changed my password to a strong one (8 chars) in case someone had broken it, but it still happens from time to time. Clearly there is a mod involved somehow (that or someone has figured out how to hack the game, but I expect they’d be more obvious about their tampering).
As a paying customer there must be some way to get justice without resorting to suing. Even if a suit was brought up, how could you prove anything without convincing the courts to confiscate their servers? Bringing that kind of suit costs a lot of money. You’d need a class action, but the cheating is hidden well enough that most players don’t see it or don’t care.
It’s just sad. I’m sorry I ever paid for premium because it was all just wasted money going into corrupt pockets.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:35 am
Well I seriously don’t hope that those who post from the TW staff themself just aim to protect themself. Anything that can be abused will be abused. I know myself that I have reported several things that in the end turned out to be wrong.
However even innogames hangs on the phone because people are wasting their time, more or less unwilling to listen what people got to say even if it’s more than one point. Wrong people in right places, that itself is what hurt companies when they got nothing to do in their positon.
Well people favor those they like. Some help them as always happen when games grow big. The most fun time is often while it’s beeing developed. However as someone else said, Tribalwars is trash now.
I fully agree and it isn’t only me, several worlds and specialy of all it’s the speed worlds. Find something you can ban for then you just got to get ridd of your enemy, of course preferable the worst possible punishment, banwars.
People make misstakes, everyone do. They should of course get punished but not discarded. If Admins and Moderatos were discarded like players are at times then there wouldn’t be anyone left to administrate Tw anymore. Everyone makes misstakes, however if you understand your misstake then things can be solved. The same goes for Admins and moderators. You shouldn’t have to send a message to everyone around because the current one would be in a bad mod or just doesn’t like you. Some are emotional.
Moderating is a pain, but as long you are doing something then it should be done well. When you got a work then you’ll have to do that Well, unless you want to get kicked out. People that are against something are shutdown, several people in these posts have been identified and verified.
Some might deserve a punishment but now it’s called getting ridd off people. That someone bothered to post about this feels nice though.
Well I would have quit if it wasn’t for a certain guy who keept me left. However after the world I play is over then I’, off. Lost the taste for the game and quite a few of us are spending more time on another one. Glory of fellowland. Despite the ugly frontpage, the game is really good and fun. More or less a game you can play as long that you’re online. Well Tribalwars is still important, however it’s enough to just check now and then.
When an issue arise then the first thing to say is not:
“The game is really good, these things do not occur”
“Lies.”
“I can’t speak about back then, but since I joined everything have been working properly”
Several Issues here got proof, you got to reply to the proof and take responsibility. If you can’t do that then you’ll just be another joke who are uneeded. You would only be in the way and declared dumb.
People have mentioned problems, you’ll have to explain to them what they did wrong. Do as well compare with other punishments/reasons why what happened did. Arrogant people or well nerds who belive they get power like what we all can describe as ex-Irc Mods(for those who remember the larger jokes out there) might find this hard to do.
Well shouldn’t write to much since I’m busy. Anycase, some people are just not fit where they’re. Speed worlds are said to have a lot of coincidenses. Some get lighter punishments and a few others are ignored and doesn’t recive one.
As of yet people have defended TW staff, themself and that’s it. You’re not needed to be heard. You’re useless and shouldm’t be here. Respond and take responsibility, if you are wrong about something then admit it and do better next time. Can’t solve that then it’s just to solve yourself as a start.
All that people need is an explenation and reason and why a punishment would have been as extreme.
Make guide lines and limits, do not allow people not fit to run free do so. Not to mention, never trust everyone/everything. There’s more abusing than people seems to know, that can be seen most in speed rounds. If people can’t talk about things on a forum then they’ll do it on the outside.
Just to get into working and do a good job. -A point yet to achive for some.
Hoodoo seemed to have solved a ticket good. However wasn’t Gareeth back at some pint after all those “accidents”?
Make a misstake then take responsibility to admit it. Otherwise it’ll get worse the next time.
A great smile for Zoom who opened this disscussion, you got more readers than you know. As well, even more that agree with you. However most quit when they have had enough. When you get far and run into trouble then you would preferable quit. A larger number of Dukes and Barons lost their motivation but stays for their tribes. When the one I’m in can run itself then I’ll as well unless the time to win is reduced a lot.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:36 am
It’s these lovely long posts again, feel free to edit and remove uneccesary parts.:P
April 4th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
To whom it conserns.
Due to an honest mistake – caused in most part by the confusing and badly written set of “rules” for your online browser game but also due to accounts logging in together on a network – after a period of no internet connection,
My own and several other accounts have been incorrectly identifyed as one person owning several accounts. And they have all been banned in error.
I am not writing this support ticket to dispute the conclusions your staff have reached, or to argue the matter.
I am most dissatisfied with the standards of your company’s customer service and the unprofessional manner in which my difficultys have been adressed.
Should your staff decide not to lift the ban imposed on accounts under IP 9x.1xx.1xx.1xx I will expect a full refund of all monies paid to InnoGames GmbH for electronic goods/services not received.
To be credited to the Credit Card account used to make these payments.
Should this request not be met in a timely manner I will envoke my statutory rights under UK law and proceed to recover my losses through legal recourse.
This “online” message is an informal notice of my request for a full refund.
An offical letter is being drafted by the legal advisors to my company, and if required will be mailed to:
InnoGames GmbH
Tempowerkring 6
21079 Hamburg
If an upheld ban is the outcome I hope the issue of my refund can be resolved without the need for legal costs on your company’s part.
I would like this matter to be brought to the attention of your management as I am not satisfied with dismissive attitude and lack of response from your general staff. I would also kindly suggest you reavaluate the efficiency of your “Forum Admin” staff for your own future benefit.
Yours Faithfully,
D.Gxxxxx
Director
Cursor Computers UK
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Further to my last,
I have been advised to point out withholding refund payment based on a game created “rule” that does not constitute a legal EULA or contractual agreement has no basis in UK or european law and will not prevent, delay or allow circumvention of possible legal proceedings.
Furthermore, failure to provide sufficent details of InnoGames GmbH’s GTCB prior to my accepting a usage agreement and/or purchase of your “premium” service negates the stipulations stated therein.
Please arrange the immediate refund of any unused “premium” payments made by myself and currently held by InnoGames GmbH in accordance with my consumer rights under EU law.
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Hello xxxxx,
Your premium is still available to be used on other worlds as you wish.
The support team is in no way shape or form legal council for Innogames, so if you feel that’s necessary I will be forced to stop communicating with you. Please contact an international lawyer and give them the contact information for Innogames, which can be found on their website, as no one on the support team can or will be able to help you with this lawsuit. We will also be forced to freeze your account on all worlds for the potential court case, as evidence, if that is how you feel.
Sincerely,
Morthy/Jon
Community manager
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Dear Jon,
Thankyou for giving this matter your attention.
I no longer have any interest in your game after this experience. Do whatever you wish with the account that remains your property.
Money paid to your company for which I have received no service or product is a totally different matter. Witholding my refund would be an illegal action that I have no intention of ignoring, the amount in question is very small but the principal is not.
The “evidence” that you suggest the account represents is irrevalant to any case of illegally witheld monies.
I realise now that you may not be aware it is is normal practice to inform a company – in writing of any intention to seek a legal settlement before pursuing that course.
It is usually unnecessary to proceed to such action if an agreement can be reached between parties out of court.
My contact thus far has fulfilled my obligation to inform you of possible legal action and personally request a refund, I have no doubt that these messages will be made available to the persons in your company to whom they concern.
Until your recommendation to contact InnoGames GmbH through their main site, I was unaware I was not adressing your company via this support system.
I will direct any further correspondence as you suggest and I thank you again for your time.
D.Gxxxx
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they think they can avoid EU law by posting rules on a forum.
They will have to think again
I urge anyone else in my situation to DEMAND refund and pursue legal recourse – this will cost them ALOT more and they deserve the extra cost
April 14th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
@wont be pushed around: please keep us informed of the trial status
April 23rd, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Nice work Zoom and the others who are fighting corruption at Tribal Wars. I myself was banned from the forum, or rather I have to assume I was banned since I can’t access the page from my house, and haven’t been able to for a year or so now.
I have no idea how I am supposed to find out why I was banned, or even ask IF I was banned. No explanation for the ban was given whatsoever. Since I did not pay to access the forum it is very possible I am not in the strong legal position you seem to be zoom. But I do think that the ban was implemented by friends of our enemy tribe in the admin team – again, it was -MM- in World 18.
Can we get clarification Gareeth still a mod at TW or not?
April 28th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Yeah, Tribal Wars Support system sucks on both ends. Due to the overabundant banning, some of the admins have swung the other way to not wanting to deal with any issue where they actually should ban someone. Here’s an example from World 34:
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I have been in contact with another player with home I have diplomacy with. A refugee was invited into my tribe and after some discussion with the first player I dismissed the second player in question. Upon investigation, I have found several breaches of contract done by metrix500/metrix900. First of all, he has been vulgar and lied to the member I have had diplomacy with, killuall190. On 26.04. at 17:10, metrix900 said:
“son of a bitch”
Prior to this he lied to killuall190 while trying to avoid an attack upon his village, which I recognize is merely a tactic and not a breach of rules. However, upon sending said lie, he rejoined the tribe he used to be a leader of, THE DARK KNIGHTS. His village is TROY at 261|364. Another member in his tribe is metrix500, with a village troy at 183|629. If I am not mistaken, it seems that he is breaching the first of the rules of Tribal Wars: §1) One Account Per Player.
I leave it up to your discretion and determination to come to a decision on his account status, as it is not my place to offer any suggestions. I sincerely thank you for your time, and consideration in this matter. Thank you for making tribal wars an entertaining game, and for taking the time to investigate matters such as this.
Servy Apr 28,2009 06:00
Hello Grinmore,
Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention. I have investigated and taken the appropriate action.
If you receive an inappropriate or insulting message please use the “Report this Message” button. Just open the message and look underneath the text field. A button called “Report this Message” should be there. After you click it, a form to report an insulting message will show up.
Tribalwars support staff can only take care of these messages if you use this form.
Sincerely,
Servy/Aaron
Administrator
Apr 28,2009 07:08
Hello. While I appreciate your fast response in the matter, I filed this report in the form that I did due to the nature of the incidents. I respectfully ask if you would please read the entire report instead of sending a form letter asking me to change the report. There are two separate infractions in question here, and only one of them was addressed in the last response.
Firstly, the inappropriate message was not directed towards myself, but towards a diplomat I was speaking with before and after I disbanded metrix900 from the tribe of which I am duke. I shall ask him to report the message via the proper link, but I was unable to since it was merely forwarded to me from him, not sent to me directly.
Secondly, in addition to the insult, I believe the player in question has two accounts on the same World, World 34. As stated in the first report, his name is metrix900, and he is leader of the tribe THE DARK KNIGHTS. His village is TROY at 261|364. Another member of his tribe is metrix500, with a village troy at 183|629. Again, if I am not mistaken, it seems that he is breaching the first of the rules of Tribal Wars: §1) One Account Per Player.
While I still leave it up to your discretion, I did file this report as I did due to the dual nature of the report; Both the insult and the question of if he is trying to cheat by having more than one village per World. If you would like, I could file it as just a report on him having two accounts, notifying the other player killuall190 to report the message, but I felt it would make more sense and be more concise to file both infractions in a single report to ease the process.
Servy Apr 28,2009 07:12
I addressed both aspects of the report.
Apr 28,2009 07:19
Well, if you are able to see that metrix900 has a different isp than metrix500, then it would be different players. Since you are the administrator, I would presume that you are able to make such a check. In your response to the first report you did not make any mention of that possible infraction, nor inspection towards it. You made no mention of it, and as such I hope you can understand why I responded reiterating that there may have been two infractions. I have notified killuall190, letting him know to report the message. As it is, only the account issue was unaddressed, and if you have investigated it since you have still not responded regarding it. Hence the second response, and this one as well.
Servy Apr 28,2009 07:37
My first response:
Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention. I have investigated and taken the appropriate action.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:13 am
I play the west religiously and Im thinking about stopping after reading all this, What a crock. They arent getting my money anymore
May 17th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Hello zoom, interesting article…here at http://www.kingsage.com there are quite a few similar claims re. Gareeth, who is a mod and a player, albeit in different worlds… there seem to be quite a few similarities between TW and KA
May 26th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Nuts
July 26th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Well on world 134 one day a mod sent porn to my acc so i made a support ticket, and the reply was from him! he found out where i lived and eventually came round, and pushed lubricant thru the door. i didnt let him in but he still bugs me.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:13 am
ATTACK THE SERVERS!!!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:13 am
666
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:27 am
Will/Techno52 Says:
February 4th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
“First, you are admins and moderators, not owners.”
We have been given the rights and permissions by the owners.
“And what about Google or Yahoo? Do they have the right to read my e-mails and use the data contained within (without a request from the police or an anti-crime organization)?”
Allow me to use the Windows Live service as an example. They, like us, have the right to access all information on the server. However they, like us, do not go around reading everyone’s mail daily.
“I think not. It’s a thing called privacy, you know… They did not “access information”, they’ve read my e-mails.”
I think you will find that “accessing information” and “reading ingame mails” are the same thing
“This idea… “it’s our server and we do as we like” would be somewhat ok and not harmful if it were not for a service that you offer, and you receive money for it. How would you like to buy a car and then have it confiscated by the factory, ’cause “it’s their car”. You can’t do as you please just because it’s the internet, you know. Laws apply here as well.”
It states quite plainly when you redeem your premium points “f the account is banned because of a breach of rules, there will be no refund.”
“The facts remain. We had payed accounts. We were banned (by a corrupt admin) and we were denied the right to defend although we had proofs. Our payed accounts gave us the right to use the service. Those were not “donations”. They were money payed for something. We did not receive that something, nor the money back. And it’s not about the amount, which was little, it’s about the principle.”
Your payed accounts granted you advantages and ease of use within the game. All who have no violated the rules have the right to use our service.
“You can not compare the scale of a site like TribalWars, which practically earns money from its users, with the one of a blog. Here, if I choose to, I can moderate your commentary and make you say anything, I can delete all your text, I CAN do anything I want, because you did not pay for a service. You’re just a visitor. Once you pay, I can’t do those things anymore. You become a client, and you have certain rights.”
If you owned this server you would be permitted to deny access to any person and do anything because it is your server.
Having read your thoughts in the blog above I would state that while the quotes are indeed accurate the rest of it contains errors and flaws. None of which I will name at this time.
As for your issue with one corrupt admin as I stated above I knew Gareeth for a very limited time and so am in no position to comment on that matter.
If you have a legal issue with Innogames lease contact an international lawyer and give them the contact information for Innogames, which can be found on their website.
http://legal.innogames.de/?type=privacy&game=staemme&lang=en&market_id=en
With all respect here mate i think YOU need to read your owner rule books befor they banned you
Everything you said kind of erm jumped out of the window ….
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:30 am
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September 16th, 2009 at 3:49 am
Do you still play at all? If so I want to get on one of the worlds that you do play on… I’ll spot you if the admins start attacking you again lol.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:30 am
Let me know if you are still into this.
I am no lawyer, but I currently study law. I am passionate about gaming and the mods are now more corrupt than ever. They are banning their own players when they have to with the minimum possible ban (5.5 mill players lose 10 villages for pushing) and banning their enemies with the maximum ban possible with no real standing. (73 villages for not correcting someone about an assumption on the forums while offine)
Please email me if you wish to speak about this.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:31 am
I got my email wrong; sorry…
November 16th, 2009 at 1:41 am
I don’t think that they care about anything we say or do. I haven’t played since then, but others do, and they keep reporting corruption.
The only possible solution is to gather evidence – which is possible – and then -> a big lawsuit.
November 16th, 2009 at 2:51 am
i used to play on tht world and i noticed that FxF where loosing members/villas being allied or NAPed to you lot, but on a certain world we have a problem similar to this were mods/game admins are playing and USING proxys to use sat accounts ect to attack the same player my tribe leaders had proof and we all knew that at least 1/3 off that tribe was not playing anymore, all because they have mods/admins playing in that trie and them being number 1 in the world they get away with it =/
November 24th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Hello. I am actually not a player of the NET server atm because i started playing early world 3 and had to quit because of lack of time to deal with so many wars. I currently am part of the support team in another server and have played in 4 different ones.
I have to admit that i am very careful at reading every little detail in contracts that i make over the internet. considering that starting playing Tribal Wars was one of my first real endeavors in an Internet game in which i had to spend many hours of the day, i carefully read the terms and privacy policy about the game. For once, i soon realized that using the in game Forum was a grave mistake, and most, if not all, of my sensitive exchange of messages were to only be made through off game systems.
Although i do trust that the team is supposed to act unbiased i understand that it is a human, and therefore fallible, component.
Many times before being inside the team i couldn’t explain why most of my tribesmates were being banned, blocked, and why every single information i posessed was almost always in enemy hands. To be truthful, 99.99% of the bans and blocks and leak of information is the players fault. I’ve seen it being inside the team. There are mistakes made by support members and i do believe you that there may be members who are not trustworthy and ban maliciously, but it seems to me that most players do not know exactly what to do and how to act in such cases. I am not an administrator or co-administrator, but i never dismiss any ticket regarding a ban trusting the ban was correct. I am proud that my superiors also advise us to not take for granted such cases and verify these bans ALWAYS. Players most of the time only announce that they were persecuted, and that the supporter was wrong… Most times they don’t realize that they have the powers in their hand. I once was blocked for a particular reason. Not agreeing with it made me discuss particular details about the block in the ticket that i created. After having all the information the Supporter could muster i quickly created a message to Innogames with the ID of the said ticket. I was promptly unbanned. (This was a non attackable ban)
Attackable bans are very hard to solve, especially because you are being attacked while waiting for the situation to resolve but Innogames does not rollback its servers because of one particular error on their parts. They cannot do that because it would involve not only the player that lost villages during the erroneous block but also players who gained villages and such. They announce that players should expect minimum errors but they can happen, either by hardware/software problems, either by human error (such as was this case).
Even though you can say that EU laws dictate what can be done there is one thing that you cannot surpass, and that is property. In game and Forum data (public or private) are acessible to the support team because it is their property BUT they are forbidden to reveal it outside of the team according to their rules.
When you or anyone joins a free webmail like gmail, hotmail and others you are actually sharing your personal messages with them even though “they” almost always seem invisible. When you are enjoying a particular service you are stuck to its rules and regulations and must abide by them to enjoy said product.
I believe that Tribal Wars is a great service with yet much to be improved, but you have to know what you want to ask from the administrators. Better application process for admin selection? Description of punishments and penalties by infraction? … there are many, many suggestions that you can make to actually improve the service provided but you have to understand exactly what you want and what is possible to do. Public trials about bans is a big no no… It would be against the current rules. Changing of rules would have to be really thought upon to actually amount to a greater good.
I do hope most people try to help the game instead of just trashing it. Everyone can make mistakes but it takes a lot more valor to learn from them to build a better community.
December 31st, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Anybody know how to translate scripts?
I’m playing tribal wars on Slovenian server:
http://www.vojnaplemen.si
And english scripts don’t work :/
Troops and almost everything else has another ID here than on .net.
February 11th, 2010 at 11:30 am
Hi Zoom,
I personally am playing Kingsage ( http://www.kingsage.org ) at the moment and always heard of banning problems from other members but never realized that these bans were unfair until i was banned myself. After some research i found this forum on the net and all the stories mentioned above are very similar if not a copy of the problems we are facing on KA. Would also like to mention that the moderator in discussion here is the same as in KA (Gareeth). This is a pity for such people to be left to abuse and ruin the fun of the game. My ban is not a long one but after such experience I am giving it some second thoughts if i will return to the game or not.
regards,
ilkaks.
(founder and leader of World1 alliance – The Empire)
April 6th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
Hi there.
I’m also an “expert” on Tribal Wars and I still play it. I really didn’t knew about that, and I was unable to leave the game.
I just want you to know that InnoGames IS responsible for that. They are the ones who rule all this! If they want to stop it, they WILL stop it. But that’s the problem, right, they simply DON’T want.
All this is good to them. If the game changes it’s way, it will be when InnoGames leaves the game to some other team. I don’t believe this will change.
Also, I want you to know that the game has people all over the world, in every country, in every server, that follow the same cause you do. But we do it secretly, because.
Also:
THIS IS NOT ONLY IN TRIBALWARS! It also happened in games like OGame and others! SO THIS IS NOT EXCLUSIVE FROM TRIBALWARS’ TEAM!
If you ever want to do a revolution, I want you to know that there are entire Tribes that will support you!
April 6th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
Boas, eu ja tinha houvido uma converssa a uns anos sobre esta situação pelos vistos nao es o primeiro mas pelo que sei foste o k t mexest mais eu nao gosto de ler mensagens grandes mas li a tua tda acredita!
Estou solidario com a situação! Da-lhes e mesmo assim aperta cm eles!
abraço
May 14th, 2010 at 7:09 am
Having problems with The West. My husband and I have two computers, one router/net connection but we were banned just recently for something that happened 2/21/2010. That’s a couple of months after we supposedly attacked the same person, at the exact same time. Somehow I find that hard to believe. Of course they were trying to say it was one person with two accounts doing this, which would make that taste even more unlikely.
And get this. The banning happened after my husband said something on the boards. Which if you do something wrong on the board, that’s where you should be banned at, not the game. So it just looks like some ticked off mods decided to ban the accounts and found something, even if untrue, to ban us with.
We did manage to get unbanned but their logic is so stupid. I put myself into vacation mode.
As for Tribal Wars. I haven’t been able to login in forever. It keeps saying my password is wrong even though it isn’t. I try changing my password and it does the same thing. You can’t send a ticket or post on the boards without your password so I’m just out of luck. And all I want to do is delete my accounts on there.
June 16th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
heres our famous gareeth
http://s109.photobucket.com/albums/n75/Gareeth/Me/
July 8th, 2010 at 5:41 am
On world 25 the same thing is happening that happened on world 7. There has been mass unexplained bans. The top tribe is only the top tribe because they cheat. A player there is actually suing innogames. I was a member of one of the tribes that was affected. They actually deleted villages that were in strategic locations. DELETED. like gone. They just vanished. In support ticket the admins just banned the people who sent in tickets. It is completely messed up. I like the game but it is not worth the stress any more.
August 29th, 2010 at 8:47 am
I took hate INNOGAMES with a passion,as same thing happened to me.abused in game and Im told to produce proof,I quote New Zealand laws. they ban me. and now stuck dealing with what could only be classed as fascist Moderators who talk down and threaten us players.I never thought I would say this.But world of warcraft is a much safer game from abuse.
INNOGAMES IS HITLER REBORN. FEELS THAT WAY! PLZ WARN PARENTS DO NOT LET THEIR CHILDREN PLAY ANY OF THIS COMPANIES GAMES.
September 17th, 2010 at 3:17 am
INNOGAMES heads-like Elke and Hendrik Klindworth and Micheal zillmer along with Thorsten schankin,Maren Heuer,Dennies Heinert.seem to be all hilter youth reborn and nazi facists.I too got banned for explaining to a moderator that they INNOGAMES breaches New Zealand laws.I have been blocked on facebook and you tube.INNOGAMES are pathetic GERMANS a disgrace to the master race lol.I cannot believe they ban you ignore you and treat you with disdain and fascism.
I honestly think this company is the WORST IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE HUMAN RACE.
I cannot believe their treatment of me.I hate them so much and hope that when their children research their Parents they are so proud of.FIND THIS SITE AND REALISE THAT KLINDWORTH FAMILY IS A GERMAN JOKE,CANNOT OWN HIS WORDS OR STAND BEHIND HIS COMPANY. SPOILT LITTLE RICH BOY WITH NO BRAINS OR BALLS OR INTELLIGENCE.
IM SURE THIS COMPANY IS FASCIST RUN AS I FEEL AS PERSUCUTED AS A …
November 7th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
As for breaking a specific country’s laws, INNOGAMES couldn’t care less because they are based elsewhere. If said country is not Germany, then they don’t care what laws they break. I cannot say if INNOGAMES is a fascist run company, I don’t know anyone there (TG!). What I do know is that some of the in game stuff team have serious antisocial issues and they need professional help to address them.
Calling someone a fascist is a horrible thing but if their own actions are indicative of such behavior then by all means, they act like a fascist thus they ARE fascists. I know from personal experience that most Germans dislike such connotations and linking with their country’s recent, “black” past. They should be more careful about how they fare though because, in some cases, there are inconsistencies between words and deeds – and deeds weigh far more!
Those with solid proof of abnormal behavior should make it public and advertise it to TW community any way they can. If some of those no-lifers that think they made something of themselves by being mods to an online game (BIG DEAL!!!) are to be removed, this is the way. Threaten the revenue of the company that employs them, it’s the only measure that can work. Law suits take too much time to produce anything, this can work almost instantly. INNOGAMES should be reminded that the internet is not their private Auschwitz!
November 17th, 2010 at 1:58 am
I was banned once upon a time. The strange part was the reason. I have a little brother that likes Tribal Wars so I added him to my internet thing and he added me to ensure we wouldn’t get in trouble. Now the fun part comes up, we get banned. “We are sorry only one account per world,either accept your punishment or just delete your account”.My brother was given a permanant ban for what, nothing.I accept my punishment of 1 and a half villages lost but sadly my brother got his account banned. They ban us even with internet sharing mode on, what nerve.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:12 am
@AM: you do something on the boards to tick off the moderators, you get a thorough check, on the boards and in the game. I consider this fair and square. I’ve been wrongfully banned as well, but communication is essential in that case. The West is very much different from Tribal Wars. If you get wrongfully banned, you don’t lose anything more than a bunch of duels and maybe some cash. While on TribalWars you can lose EVERYTHING you have built.
As for the rule you broke is not “1 account per player”, but 2 players using the same IP address dueling the same opponent.
And I bet it was the opponent who reported, moderators do not take every little duel report and study it. Not to mention that in a few months time, those reports are deleted if not shared.
And you cannot compare moderator teams from one game to the other. Each team is different! If one is biased, doesn’t mean all of them are. And if there’s one rotten member on the team that lies through his/her teeth, it takes time and effort to be caught and fired.
December 22nd, 2010 at 9:23 am
It seems here like the problem is Gareeth more than anything. If someone came forth with corruption allegations against you at YOUR place of work, you would expect your employer to support you until any evidence was found, and that’s exactly what it sounds like the admins of both Tribal Wars and Kings Age have done.
However, it is of course expected that once these allegations are proven true, some form of punishment is given. In the case of one isolated incident in something as low key as an online browser game, this may be a reprimand. It is only when such actions are repeated that you would expect this member of staff to be removed.
Now, I’m not exactly quite sure how you delivered this “proofs” Zoom. But, from what I can tell, your English is pretty bad. If they could even understand what the heck you were saying, it would be unlikely they consider some random ticket such as “gareeth is evil i has proofs111″ to be a serious issue. At any stage did you attempt to contact the Product Manager? If it concerned you so much, did you send in a letter to their main offices? (Remember a letter is worth five hundred emails.) Posting conspiracy theories and abuse on the forum, blogs and mail systems is hardly the correct way of going about your task, and as you saw, not successful.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:46 am
i have had a similar affair with ‘grepolis’
i became an 11 city guy high up in an alliance.
my son expressed an interest and signed up.
he was attacked and when i tried to help the game said i could not, when questioning this on the forum a girl called ‘jennesis’ banned me and my son for co-playing.
i have tried to get the ‘evidence’ to no avail as there isn’t any.
although i paid for a premium account i have been banned and when i try to pulicise it on the forum its against the rules.
is there any way we can highlight this deplorable treatment of innocent people by innogames, can we appeal to the fsm (german code of conduct)?
November 4th, 2011 at 2:45 am
There is lots of corruptness in the system but unfortunately,
most of it can’t be fixed. I love TW but when it comes to things like this, I just get agitated.
December 21st, 2011 at 2:25 am
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL64BB2138E9C4B737
I made these for tribal wars and my tribe in the game. I and others that used them got banned
May 22nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Sorry this is such a late response, but here it goes:
It’s so sad that such a beautiful game has so much corruption. Something similar happened to me: I was part of the aristocracy of a tribe and we found out that two different accounts were being played by the same person and one was sending troops and resources to the other. The duke reported this, but we never got no response. We were thinking that two things could have happened,
1) A admin controlled these two accounts
2) Admins were two lazy too do anything about it
This is the part that get’s weird: I logged on one day to find my tribe disbanded and the duke’s account had been banned. And yet the two illegal accounts were still up and running
Again…this is so sad
July 27th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Bit of information for anyone still reading this.
Posted way back in 2009 but circumstances change and so I’m going to inform you how to multi in peace.
Proxy service and use a seperate browser, also make sure you don’t log in both at same times/dates all the time.
They are 3 systems used to find multis.
February 2nd, 2013 at 6:30 pm
Oh my, I am coming to this thread late, but I think I am the person who’s son was also playing on a shared connection on w20 (mentioned above in someone elses post)
What a small world.
I still play – w58, and we are having an issue with mods there right now. Two players (not me) in my tribe. One is brand new, wants to take over an account whose owner quit after it was banned. Totally above board, the guy needs to log in to accept the punishment and change the password etc to commence playing. However, since he is geographically in the same ip address as an existing guy playing another account, he accesses the ticket for his new account, and before accepting punishment or accessing the game proper, he replies to the outstanding ticket asking about shared connections. He is concerned that he will have to access the game proper before he can declare the connection and is worried that he doesnt want to break any rules.
What do the mods do?
They ban the other guy who has been playing the world for eons, because he hasnt declared a shared connection! Yet the new guy hasnt even started playing the game yet.
Oddly enough, the old (established I mean, not old in years) then moved quickly due to RL issies, so there was no need to share the connection anyway, so he informs mods of what has happened. AND THEY BAN BOTH ACCOUNTS !!!!
February 23rd, 2013 at 8:12 pm
That link for youtube dont work.
But then reading about the other person in NZ getting banned from youtube,TW and some other site it makes sense
January 30th, 2014 at 6:01 pm
Frankly speaking I think some computer whizz should hack the system and show other players/ the system that we are not to be messed with. They mess with us, we mess with their system!
October 30th, 2014 at 3:26 pm
come watch me take down innogames
http://www.tribalwarz.co
May 30th, 2015 at 3:54 pm
An Ex Moderators Review on The Homophobic Tribal Wars
I use to work for Innogames as a moderator for their forums. When the administrator’s friends started sexually harassing me because I was gay, I complained and got fired. Then for the next seven years their administrators and players stalked me and my daughter with threats of death and rape. I have had thousands of threats to this date and they still go on. Threats like how they will first kill me and rape my dead body or how they will rape my daughter as I am forced to watch bleeding to death.
You can see a few of these threats here-
http://www.tribal-wars.co/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=35
And the police report and reports to the fbi on my main blog-
http://www.tribal-wars.co/
August 30th, 2015 at 1:02 am
hi
im actually very happy that i found this, while actually im still playing tw and was only looking for a way to use acc manager eficiently. I never used money in the game, but now im 100 % certain that i never will.
Im sorry for my english, im portuguese, so thats where this story happened. Im currently playing in the brasilian server, so far, so good, lets see whats happens…
Anyway, some years ago, i was young, and happened several times that i was banned unfarly (even if sometimes it was by the rules, but human should be able to not blindly follow the rules). But this is just the introduction, not important. Anyway, i got tires of the admin, and stopped playing for a few years. I came back, and started playing again, and after some time, my profile was deleted because it was in english (in portuguese server, its only permitted posting in portuguese). But im stubborn (probably a little stupid too) and i insisted in posting things in english, and that time i got banned from both worls that i was playing (wich doesnt make sense, if the infraction was only in one world). There i kinda made the support upset, because i wouldnt stop sending them tickets, and they banned me permanantly from both world, and from the support sistem. Completly understanble. But there what i did was create another account (it isnt multi if i can only access one) and started sending messages for my friends, explaining them the situation, and that i would not continue playing.
Here is the serious part. They did not allow me to send messanges, and when i sent a ticket, they said i was spamming messages, which is a ridicolous excuse, after i sent another ticket, they banned that account too.
after which i got the email from the admin of the portuguese tw, and i sent him an email explaining the situation, from which i got no response.
And thats it, sorry for the longe text.
September 11th, 2016 at 11:00 pm
Hi,
Just got banned in tribal wars for using tribal wars approved scripts (ntoombs and resource balancer).
Mods won’t discuss. We were not cheating in any way, just winning a world by a long shot. People got upset and reported us.
Duckje is dirty. Poo is covering up for Duckje, so is obviously just as dirty.
Tribal wars is dying because of mods like this. We’ve reported them to the gaming commission. They won’t give us any information, just crappy little responses of “you were cheating”, if any response at all. Pathetic people, pathetic mods.
Report them here:
http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/odr